This seems to me like TED talk: “Sustaining …
Comment posted Thinking About (Growing) Food by Martin.
This seems to me like TED talk:
“Sustaining anything close to the comfort and convenience of our current world is not going to be possible unless we apply the whole systems, regenerative thinking that is so well applied to urban homesteading in this volume, to larger industrial systems too.”
We can “apply” all the “thinking” we want, but the large industrial systems are far too large and embedded in fossil fuel supply systems for pie-in-the-sky or rutabuaga-in-the-sidewalk kind of green messianic charlatanism. Talking green, living brownish – that’s about where we, the collective human race, stand at even the earthy-crunch edge.
Once again I’m here to wreck the mellow vibe, but that’s what comments sections are for.
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- Fine rejoinder – you’ve certainly got a right to your more optimistic views, but in trying to understand the “whole systems” of social reality, I just don’t get that imperative – but that is for me to live out, with some amount of joy and fun in seeing a mess of dead-ends and a lot of green wishfulness that cannot go much of anywhere – but we are here to enjoy the entirety, the good life along with the massive crack-ups. Thanks for your fine work, as always.
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Strong post, as always.
I wondered what you thought of this little note I read of in a Men’s Journal article, on a certain Lebron and D-Wade being ardent Critical Massers:http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/29/dwyane-wade-critical-mass-gab rielle-union_n_1925176.html
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I guess I’m too focused on the heartbreak of this sentence:It would be a pity to be evicted from the city after working on San Francisco history for nearly two decades.
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Despite not having blogged much here, the proprietor’s words are still some of the best reporting on the state of empire.
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Great photos, affecting notes in the post – it’s says something about my own own intellectual futility that I sneaked many a look at your blog – the political writing is always incisive, the narrator reliable, which is very, very hard for me to find on the big web.
I agree that no one should write for anything but his or her own stimulation ( one excellent aggregator of all things craptastic in this political culture is forever whinging about “traffic,” being querulous in comments, and so forth), but a little appreciation from the wider world is certainly not to be disdained.
There’s no money in blogging, and a lot of work with often little reward, but these parlous political times demand a critic, one who has been been versed in vritually all the left wars, and you’ve got the goods. - Return of the Repressed
Considering the work you’ve done, I’d say you were the intellectual godfather of the Occupy movement, not Elizabeth Warren. Yet I remain an apostate of its claims for effect.
1. Just as in the 60s, there is no appreciation for the enormity of the corporate supersystem. All well and good to diagnose the social ills – but where is there the slightest sociology of the dimensions of corporate control?
2. Why always the valorization of protest? In Egypt, the brave and stupendous occupations have brought about no political change other than exchanging one tyrant for his military.
3. Fighting the police is not war. They get paid overtime, they have now been given massive funding, they get the right to prosecute, they get majority backing.
4. The left keeps functioning on vain, self-ennobling dramas of “hope” and “change,” and in America this takes on a peculiar academic exceptionalist glorification. OWS kids are not going to take over city councils and town meetings, senates nor assemblies. Getting Thomas Friedman to pen manifestos of sympathy calling for identification of politicians with their corporate sponsors means, yes, the wind has shifted, but winds blow this way and that, and the edifices are built of granite.
5. I hold the wise elders responsible for patronizing the young – you have a right to see great and glorious worldwide revolution from coming from these heavily surveilled encampments, but the underemployed college youth should also hear nihilism and pessimism – after all, which has ruled our times? - Fraud and Corruption: The DNA of Business
Great review, as usual, but I just don’t get how “radicals” (such as McNally) can be so on-target with critiques, then so uniformly moronic when it comes to prospects. All that organizing “poetry” is going on now, at the margins, by the self-anointed few, yet capitalism has always had these by the wayside, and here we are with more financial crime and international technowar and specious work and nonwork.
None of the bottom-up strategies are going to work – there is never going to be workplace “democracy,” whatever that could be, and the other stuff will be barely tolerated and then marginalized if it ever gets beyond the back alleys. Massed corporate power is far too intertwined with institutional power to permit even a view of “another world” that will get anyone off the couch.
Why not see the folly of triumphalist social rhetoric, and then have some fun with the contours of a personal world of conditional splendor amidst the rubble of a deteriorating social reality? To your credit, you seem to be one of the few on the outer-left orienting toward that – if I read you right.
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August 27th, 2011 at 6:00 pm
I like to visit your site a couple times a week for new thoughts. I was wondering if you have any other niches you write about?
August 27th, 2011 at 6:07 pm
sure, quite a few… they’re listed at the top in the masthead, and you can also peruse the categories at left…
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August 29th, 2011 at 2:31 pm
Chris, thank you for the kind words about my new book, Radical Gardening. And yes I loved the fact that you sourced an image of allotments in Lancaster, Lancashire–my home town! George
September 6th, 2011 at 2:37 pm
This seems to me like TED talk:
“Sustaining anything close to the comfort and convenience of our current world is not going to be possible unless we apply the whole systems, regenerative thinking that is so well applied to urban homesteading in this volume, to larger industrial systems too.”
We can “apply” all the “thinking” we want, but the large industrial systems are far too large and embedded in fossil fuel supply systems for pie-in-the-sky or rutabuaga-in-the-sidewalk kind of green messianic charlatanism. Talking green, living brownish – that’s about where we, the collective human race, stand at even the earthy-crunch edge.
Once again I’m here to wreck the mellow vibe, but that’s what comments sections are for.
September 6th, 2011 at 3:05 pm
yeah, that IS what comments are for, I guess!… thanks!… but you know, the hopeless cul-de-sac that lies behind your comment, wrapping itself in know-it-all realism, is just despair in other clothes… I’m sorry your main point is despair. I don’t share it. I actually DO think we can get out of this mess, but certainly not without trying!… and for sure lots of mistakes and wrong paths will be taken in that effort (presuming we ever start to actually make it!)…
anyway… hope you’re enjoying your time on the planet, in spite of the despair…. we only get one time ’round, apparently…
September 7th, 2011 at 4:02 pm
Fine rejoinder – you’ve certainly got a right to your more optimistic views, but in trying to understand the “whole systems” of social reality, I just don’t get that imperative – but that is for me to live out, with some amount of joy and fun in seeing a mess of dead-ends and a lot of green wishfulness that cannot go much of anywhere – but we are here to enjoy the entirety, the good life along with the massive crack-ups. Thanks for your fine work, as always.
October 5th, 2011 at 1:45 am
Loved this article and great to see Bristols allotments, as that is where I live. I have also read George Mckays new book and really liked it. I believe that food is essential to retaining the ability to opt out of the dominant economic system, and the more people do this the more that we self organise and move towards our own sustainability the more we regain power over our lifes. We have just posted up some interesting talks on transistions movements in UK which you might find interesting and tie into these issues and concerns.
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February 9th, 2012 at 4:36 pm
love your website. I share a similar political vein, philosophy, and geography of the city. It’s important to me that there are people out there who are just as passionate about finding the beauty and utopia in the world we live in, now. The more people share and advocate, the more beauty we can bring to the world. Thanks.